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But as an artist you're kind of like, Why the hell would I work for you? I'm gonna work for myself. I'm gonna draw some stuff. I'm gonna sell it. I don't need you. I got picked on a lot when I first moved to New Mexico. And the kids that picked on me had older brothers and sisters who were I need to be He was a giant. I didn't worry about anything happening to him. Because he manned up and did his own thing. Yeah, I've tattooed my dad and my mom and my sister too. Something about getting a little bit older, I started to reflect on my own past. I think it's important to know where things came from to really truly understand what things are. For instance, Labor Day. It's actually about a tragedy. It was in response to the Pullman strike in New York. The working class were basically striking for a living wage. 13 were killed at the Pullman strike. Angry thought can arise and you can continue to feed it until you're angry and then someone says hi and you go fuck you. I've learned a lot from Mike Giants. Just learning to understand that all these emotions are built up inside of us. Guys, stop. My God, stop. Let's chill on the guns. Let's grow a weed. The weed will save the world. Art both reflects what a culture thinks is beautiful and shapes what a culture thinks is beautiful so that they allow a culture to look through their eyes and see what they see as beautiful. I'm sure that both the mikes can relate to this as well. There still becomes this perception of who the person who produces these things is supposed to be. The line between the two, it's almost an Alice in Wonderland equation. You've entered the mirror at some point and it's a bizarre world in there and you can't really get back out.